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Navigating Resilience and Innovation: Remington Ramsey's Entrepreneurial Journey

• McGraw School of Business • Season 2 • Episode 5

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Discover the inspiring journey of Remington Ramsey, the entrepreneurial force behind Real Producers Magazine, as he shares his story of perseverance and innovation with us. From selling Cutco Knives during the 2008 housing crisis to founding a magazine that connects top real estate professionals across 140 locations, Remington's path is a testament to resilience and adaptability. Throughout our conversation, he reveals how faith and business have intertwined to guide his success, offering valuable insights for aspiring entrepreneurs looking to carve their own niche.

Immerse yourself in the transformational power of books and dreams as we discuss the shift from academic achievement to personal growth through avid reading and reflection. Remington aims to read 24 books a year, with titles like "Boys in the Boat" profoundly influencing his business and personal philosophies. As our discussion unfolds, we explore how evolving reading interests, particularly in American history, can provide unexpected lessons in leadership and resilience, encouraging listeners to continuously seek knowledge and inspiration.

Unearth the secrets of building strong relationships using effective sales techniques that prioritize genuine engagement. Remington shares his wisdom on maintaining connections and the importance of belief rooted in truth for young entrepreneurs. We touch on strategic partnerships, like his collaboration with N2 Publishing, which facilitated the national expansion of Real Producers Magazine. Join us for a captivating exploration of entrepreneurship, relationship-building, and the intersection of faith and business, leaving you with actionable insights and inspiration.

To learn more about other entrepreneurship opportunities and the McGraw School of Business’s very own Createur Conference and Pitch Competition, go to Createur.Olivet.edu.


Speaker 1:

This week, we're thrilled to welcome Remington Ramsey, who will explore the entrepreneurial mindset with exceptional depth and insights.

Speaker 2:

Where faith and business meet. This is Creator.

Speaker 1:

Welcome to the Creator Podcast. Join us as we dive deep into conversations with visionaries, innovators and doers.

Speaker 2:

Whether you're building your brand, launching your next big project or simply seeking inspiration, this is the space where ideas come to life.

Speaker 1:

I'm Spencer James.

Speaker 2:

And I'm Carly Bird when faith and business meet this is the Creator Podcast.

Speaker 1:

Hello everyone, this week, carly and I had the pleasure of being joined by an incredible powerhouse from Indianapolis that does everything from real estate to publishing.

Speaker 3:

Remington Ramsey. Thanks so much for being here. Yeah, happy to be on the show. I'm a fan. I've listened to your show and you guys do a great job.

Speaker 1:

He's a fan. Thank you so much.

Speaker 2:

Well, that's so exciting. Well, listeners, Remington Ramsey is an entrepreneur most known for creating Real Producers Magazine, a nationwide company with over 140 locations, and Remington is a real estate investor as well as an avid reader and writer. He and his wife enjoy life on the lake in northern Indiana and call Indianapolis their home, with their three girls and now their baby boy, nine days old Now.

Speaker 2:

I'm not sure when this episode is going to come out, but right now, little baby Remy was just born. All right, well, remington, we are so excited to have you on the show today. Thank you for joining us.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I first heard about it from the conference that you guys do. The Entrepreneur Conference A buddy of mine, justin Donald, spoke at and I was like that's my school and since then I've had many conversations. I'm so proud of the programs that Olivet has created around the conference and entrepreneurship kind of leading the way really, especially for private schools in the space of business ownership. Just super cool to see what you're doing. So happy to be a part of it.

Speaker 2:

Well, thank you so much. It's been so much fun and we're excited to bring in more of our amazing Olivet alums, like yourself, to be a part of the fun. We're just going to dive right in, because that's what we do here. I'm already thinking. So what was that initial spark that led to you establishing Real Producers magazine and what were some of those key strategic decisions and innovative approaches really that you implemented to achieve its remarkable growth to over 140 locations? I think that a lot of our listeners are already very curious.

Speaker 3:

All right. Well, if I tell the story of Real Producers, I have to back up about 10 years before that that actually started at all of that. So in 2008, I would have been a sophomore in college and if you guys know what happened in 2008 with the housing bubble, basically there was no jobs. And there was especially no jobs for people my age because you know people twice my age couldn't get a job. So when I came home from school I was struggling to find work and I needed to work to pay for school. And so I heard Olivette was hiring for the Bears camp and paid a whopping I don't know a hundred bucks a week or something like that. So I came, I packed up and came back to Olivette and while I was there living on campus I'm talking we were eating frozen burgers and that was it. Like that's all we could afford, like I had no money at college and there was a guy staying on campus who was about to open up a branch for Cutco Knives. Have you guys heard of Cutco? Oh yeah.

Speaker 2:

Yes.

Speaker 3:

So Cutco recruits more kids in the Army and they got me that summer in the army and they got me that summer, um, and but the thing was I started working part-time, uh and uh, also working for the bears camp and worked for my grandpa, and I ended up making like two grand working really part-time for Cutco. So I was like, okay, this thing actually works. Second summer came back, uh, made 10 grand. And then the third summer came back and made 30 grand which paid for my schooling. Basically I was able to pay off my schooling a couple of years afterwards.

Speaker 3:

So, knives, when I about by junior year I thought I was going to sell knives the rest of my life and I got into this specialty division called Cutco Closing Gifts where I was actually selling knives to realtors, and so that was kind of my entrance into real estate was selling closing gifts.

Speaker 3:

So I've never been a realtor, I've never sold homes outside of the ones that I've purchased myself, but I've worked with a lot of realtors and it started by selling closing gifts. So essentially I was really struggling to get in front of the right realtors. So if you look at Indianapolis, there's 10,000 realtors in Indy. Half of them will sell one or less homes, and so, for a vendor, that's really frustrating, because you're trying to figure out who can even afford these gifts. I can't go to every event because half the people here aren't even like a target market for me, and so, long story short, it's probably a little bit longer than for this podcast, but essentially what I did was I created my own events that led to the magazine that's now known as Real Producers, and that was back in 2015. We launched the first magazine and since then, as you know, it has grown to over 140 markets. So really it birthed out of the necessity, from a vendor trying to reach realtors to build a business, and that's the short version of the story.

Speaker 2:

Well, thank you, that's really inspiring.

Speaker 1:

Did you ever think that you would you'd land there? I mean, was that like that? I mean, it doesn't sound like that was really a long term vision, I mean. But looking back on it for you is that like wow, how did I even get here? You know, like no.

Speaker 3:

So when I was in school I really I was exercise science major, so I was trying to go down the PT route. When I was in high school I got injured a couple of times and I had to go to physical therapy and I really enjoyed the process of healing and all the cool techniques that they use. So when I got to Olivet I was like you know what I think I want? Not only do I want to be a physical therapist, but I really enjoyed the business side too. I started getting that itch so I was like what if I own my own physical therapy clinic? And that's kind of the route that I had thought that I was going.

Speaker 3:

But you know, halfway through school I kind of lost the passion for the exercise science side and I really just enjoyed business and Cutco was taken off so I thought I was just going to sell knives the rest of my life. Real estate presented itself and it was just a natural pivot, and so one thing that I like to tell young entrepreneurs is to pay attention to the opportunities. Just always be open to other things that could come from hustling yeah.

Speaker 1:

We talk a lot in some of our episodes about just the opportunity to say yes and how important that is and where a yes could lead right, and I think that's so important to just have that mindset. What about just long-term vision? Thinking about that, you said you want to sell knives for the rest of your life. I mean, was that debilitating for you at all?

Speaker 3:

Limiting my options? Yeah, it totally was. Now, obviously, and I've since sold that business and that was just kind of a young you know, I was a guy, the guy that thought I was going to marry my high school girlfriend after a week of dating or so. Like I grew up a lot since then, since then, um, and so now, like I. So now I'm in real estate, I own a real estate magazine, I own a real estate portfolio for, uh, investments and and that kind of thing, but I'm not, I'm not limiting my thinking to anything. If, if, for whatever reason, there's an option for, you know, buying a yo-yo company and that makes sense, like I'm not going to just say no, naturally, like that's one big thing that I've learned is paying attention to the opportunities, and so, yeah, hopefully I think that answers your question, but I think early on, that definitely did limit my options is just by being so bullheaded.

Speaker 2:

Remington. It also sounds like and I could be wrong, but it sounds like you have a passion for reading and writing as well, with having that magazine, and I'm just curious too, how that has contributed to your entrepreneurial journey and the development of some of your business strategies, and literary works and your own writing have provided you with some of those unique insights and perspectives, or strategies even, that have been instrumental in guiding your ventures.

Speaker 3:

Sure Well. So here's the struggle for a student. When I was in exercise science, I, about halfway through school, realized that that wasn't the route that I wanted to take. Yeah, it would have taken me another two semesters or even three to graduate if I changed my major, and so I was kind of stuck if I wanted to graduate on time and start my life. And so I lost the passion but kept doing the work, and I think that if I had to do it back again, I probably would still do it that way.

Speaker 3:

But getting out in your 20s and starting businesses and working in a job, I think you have to pay attention to that passion piece, because unless you have a vision for where you want to go and how what you're currently doing fits into that, you're just going to be bitter Like I was a bad student. I got good grades, but I think that I got good grades because I figured out the system for how to get good grades Study at a certain time, get good grades on the test, show up when you need to, and I didn't really retain the knowledge and I didn't enjoy the books I was reading, because they were textbooks about things that I wasn't as into at the time and that took away from the time that I could read and write about things that I did like, so I didn't actually start reading books really until I got out of school. Now I read two books a month. 24 books a year is kind of what I promote.

Speaker 3:

If you check it out on Instagram, I talk a lot about reading and talk a lot about writing, because I'm also writing my first book. I'm in the editing phase. It's actually going to come out this fall, which is cool. It's a real estate book. How to Sell to Realtors is basically my story, but through the magazine, I write a publisher's note each month. That I love because I get to relate all the things that I'm into, which is business, my faith and anything that has to do with marketing, branding, which is what the last 10 years I've carved out a niche for, and so we're actually there's a lot. You're right, I have a lot of passion for writing and reading and I really encourage other people to do the same.

Speaker 2:

That's so exciting. With that being said okay, 24 books a year I definitely want to hear what are some of those specific books or authors that have had a transformative impact on your business mindset or personal philosophy, because, of course, we're big readers here and I'm sure you've got some really good ones in mind, so lay it on us, what do you have?

Speaker 3:

Yeah, all right, so I should have anticipated you asking this question. I actually have a spreadsheet of every book that I've read since I got out of school.

Speaker 3:

And, um, I'll, I'll just get there's a. I ha, I really like books, so there's, there's a lot that have impacted me. I'll give you the ones that, off the top of my head in this moment, uh, are are on my mind. Boys in the boat um is a book that I read a couple of years ago that was so profound for me. Do you guys know the story of Boys in the Boat? Do you know what the book is about?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yes, so yeah.

Speaker 3:

So for the listeners who haven't heard about it, it's basically the 1936 Berlin Olympics and how a Washington university rowing team made it and basically took down Hitler's German team. But the book is just full of leadership and team aspect philosophy that I don't know why more businesses don't assign this as reading outside of. Like all the other business-based books it's that good. So Boys in the Boat is at the top. If I'm just wanting to knock out some fiction, I'll read some Grisham or some classics like Hemingway. And then I've recently.

Speaker 3:

This year is cool Like if you just commit to reading, you're not going to know what's going to be like on your mind or like what you're passionate about even two years from now, what's going to be like on your mind or like what you're passionate about even two years from now.

Speaker 3:

So it's cool to see, like when you write everything down that you've read, you can kind of see your own journey throughout the years of reading and what you're kind of going through at the time, why you chose that book. Cause I don't have any rules when I pick a book, like if someone and now everyone knows that I like that reading is my mantra, so like they'll just give me books. So I have a whole shelf of just books that I haven't gotten to yet, and some I will and some I probably won't. But this year I've really been into the like American history and I've never been in to like American history like I have this year before. So I read 1776 and Alexander Hamilton and a few others that I've just been into this year, but next year it might be something completely different.

Speaker 1:

That's awesome, man. I love that Boys in the Boat story. I started by watching the movie here a few months ago and then I was like I gotta read the book, like it's just a crazy story, right, and they're more than underdogs and I think there's so much to learn from that. So I love that, love that.

Speaker 3:

The book.

Speaker 3:

The movie is really good but like any movie based on a book, they have to pick one lane to stay in and really only tell like a short snippet of the story.

Speaker 3:

What the book does, that the movie can't, is really show the years of struggle that the main character, joe Rance, who's a real person like this is a true story, like the depression and the the um extreme poverty he went through to overcome. I mean, this guy was on food stamps not even food stamps, like he would show up to a soup kitchen after rowing, right. So like these guys take in more air than a thoroughbred racing horse and so like it is incredible what they go through. But he couldn't afford food. But he was embarrassed because he knew people from the school that were actually serving the food at the soup kitchen, so he would literally just not eat certain days, even though he was rowing through. And so what the book does is it shows you like all of the ins and outs and emotional toil that you go through before they actually even got to the Olympics. So it's great. Definitely recommend it.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that's amazing. Thank you so much for sharing that too. That's interesting. I feel like our listeners could benefit from taking that advice too and kind of setting up that Excel spreadsheet or whatever you have and you know, really start keeping track of the books that you read and, you know, try to make it interesting and entertaining for yourself. You know not just the textbooks in school, although I will say, listeners, you should be reading. But you know not just not just the textbooks in school, although I will say, listeners, you should be reading. But, you know, really take a look at those books that interest you and the passions that you have.

Speaker 3:

So I got another thing to say to that before you move on. Is that all right?

Speaker 2:

Yes, of course.

Speaker 3:

In 2009,. I was sitting at a conference and Matthew Kelly was a speaker and he wrote the Dream Manager and Rhythm of Life and a handful of other books. He had us write down dreams within the conference and said he challenged us to get to 100. So this is the book that I've actually carried around with me ever since. It's always with me. It's a list of dreams and as I mark them off, I continue to write new ones dreams, and as I mark them off, I continue to write new ones.

Speaker 3:

And you know 2009, it's been 15 years now and so if I look at my dreams, just like the books, you can kind of tell the life journey I've been on based on what was important to me. I'll give you an example. One of my first top 10 dreams at the time was make $10,000 in a summer, like, or sorry, $10,000 in a year. Like that was my, a dream that I had right as a college student. Now, like the dreams that you have, if I only made $10,000 this year to provide for a family of six, I'd be in a world of hurt.

Speaker 3:

So the other thing that happens is you can kind of see how my dreams include other people. My dreams really involved my family and my friends, more so than just my own ambitions, and that's not. Maybe that's not the same for everybody, but it's it's really. It's really cool to track, and so that's always with me. And so when you document things like, I really encourage writing because when you document things, it helps you remember where you've been and how maybe you've even conquered certain things Like shoot, I've actually been through this before. How did I get over this this first time? I mean, the world is full of pain, right. And so if you have hope, where you're constantly carrying around a book full of dreams that you're just marking off wow, I've lived a very fruitful life you start to become more grateful.

Speaker 2:

And that's a good thing. I love that, yeah, also, on a side note, I can definitely see how you and Justin Donald are friends now with this goal list and the dream journal. So who came up with the idea? Which one was it?

Speaker 3:

For the dream journal?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I think which one of you was it.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, the Dream Journal was Matthew.

Speaker 2:

Kelly. We both got that from Matthew Kelly, great speaker, one of my favorite speakers. Okay, interesting. I'm like wait a second. I'm like, okay, I see the connection here. Yeah, that's exciting.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, we'll have, and so Justin came from Cutco too. I don't know if he told you guys that, right, that's where we met originally. There's a big group of alumni that came from Cutco.

Speaker 2:

Wow.

Speaker 1:

So how many dreams have you crossed off? This is something that we asked Justin here a few months ago.

Speaker 3:

I don't know how many dreams I've crossed off, but I continue to write. I have probably close to 200 dreams that are not crossed off. But what's funny is, early on, read 10 biographies. That was dream number 51, because I wasn't good at reading. So to read 10 books was just astronomical to me. Now, if you look at that like that, that's what I do in half a year is, you know, 24 bucks a year and it's it's really important to me. But, like, a lot of these were based on uh.

Speaker 3:

So I fought when I was in college, I I drove up to Manteno and trained at a Muay Thai gym, so I took a couple uh. I took a legal fight. I just wanted to take one legal fight in the ring to say that I won. So I got to mark that one off Right Um I. I ended up. So that was weird because I was just training to get in shape and to learn how to defend myself. But everyone in the gym was like, hey, we're going to fight. I was like, all right, I'll take one man. The adrenaline when you get in the ring, when someone's trying to take your head off, uh is unparalleled. But I ended up. I was really well trained, so I was better trained than the other guy and he was much bigger because he was shorter. So it was kind of intimidating, but I had a longer reach. I broke his nose and felt terrible about it and so I quit.

Speaker 3:

Oh my, goodness, but I kept training, but afterwards he came up to me. He's like man, this is great, we should do it again. Like fighters are, like this, just literally a sport, you know? To that, yeah, but so I'll continue to train, but I don't think I'll get back in the ring.

Speaker 1:

Wow. Well, and also thinking about some of these dreams, how do you feel like that's impacted, or maybe influenced, your journey as an entrepreneur? I mean, obviously there's a lot of different personal dreams, but from a business standpoint, how has that driven you to maybe pursue more?

Speaker 3:

Well, you got to get good at it, right, you got to get good at setting goals and setting dreams, because sometimes your dreams are so low. You accomplish it and you think to yourself why was that a dream? That should have just been a goal Like that, should have been like a goal that happened this year. But, um, one thing that I've found is that true success like the more successful you are really what it's doing is it's giving you a platform to impact people in a way that really matters. Like you can get the big house and the fancy car and you know all the American dream. And then, once you get there, you think that that was what was going to make you happy and you realize that either maybe you're not happy or you are, but that's not the thing that made you happy. And so when, um, when you have that platform to impact others, I think that's what we're really called to do.

Speaker 3:

But no one would have paid attention to me or given me the opportunity to speak or create something had I not found success. First, we'll just say the knives. Had I not sold a bunch of knives, I wouldn't have gotten the attention of anyone in real estate to be able to create something and for them to take a chance on me. When I created the magazine, I didn't even have a sample. I took around, like a Kroger magazine that I had that had nothing to do with real estate and was just flipping through, just painting the vision, and I sold a quarter million dollars worth of advertising commitments before the magazine even came out. Okay, so that's cool, but the only reason I was able to do that is because people had faith from what I had already done, and so the success that you achieve is really supposed to be a springboard for what what you're trying to do, which is impact the world in a way that matters.

Speaker 3:

And I think uh, this being a Christian based podcast, all of that, all of Vician's mostly listening to it. If you look at what's happening in our world, there is more of a time for leadership now than ever. There's more of a need for hope and faith now than ever. Right, so if we're working hard to get that platform now, when people who are trying to fill the void in their life with anything but Christ, they are going to look to the people who have the hope that they do not have, and that's where your efforts in building your business and your life are so attractive to them and they just think, hey, something's different about Carly, something's different about Spencer, and that's the impact that you can then have, because of the success, whatever that means, that you had in your vocation.

Speaker 2:

It's kind of crazy that you brought this up. I'm going to give a quick callback way back to season one, episode one of our podcast, when we actually featured Scott Lingle, another alum of Olivet.

Speaker 3:

I know Scott Scott's a good dude.

Speaker 2:

Yes, so he actually. I remember this. One of the quotes that he gave was by Francis Schaeffer and he said it's the degree that we do our work well, that we have the opportunity to witness and be heard, and I think that just goes perfectly with what you're saying in you know working hard to build that platform and have the opportunity to share that message with the world, as you have done. So, yeah, very interesting. I love the connection there.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, yeah, thanks. And I met Scott this year actually, yeah, and you can see he's a perfect example of that. Right, he was successful in his own thing. He sold multiple businesses for millions of dollars and he spends most of his time giving back and impacting younger entrepreneurs with the sweat equity right In their twenties, and so that's awesome, like I would love.

Speaker 3:

When I'm I think he's in his mid fifties, if I believe if I'm in my mid-50s and I can spend my entire time, money and effort, giving back. That's a dream. You just gave me a dream that I'm going to write down. You have an opportunity to work harder, with a higher risk tolerance than you do. Once you get to where I'm at, even 10 years later 35 I've got four kids I can't take the same types of risk. Now I'm a risk taker. I have a much higher risk tolerance than most just being an entrepreneur. But there's certain decisions that I cannot make based on where my family's at and I have to provide in those times. And so, when you're in your 20s, work stupid hard, just do it right and don't don't take away from the relationships. Don't take away from, uh, your relationships with other people.

Speaker 1:

But that's, that's, uh, my two cents at least yeah thank you, yeah I love that point, uh, and maybe you could speak into that like what it? What had growing that magazine right following selling the knives? What did that look like for you to to work hard and really start start growing that?

Speaker 3:

recruiting and growing right. Because as you're recruiting, as you're, as you're, basically what you're doing is you're selling other people on the opportunity, and where I think most people struggle is that's where they think it ends once they're sold right. They do it with clients, they do it with recruits. And I'll tell you right now, like my, my role I essentially, when I created the magazine, sold it to N2 Publishing right off the bat role. I, essentially, when I created the magazine, sold it to N2 Publishing right off the bat because it was such a good idea. I knew we would get basically squashed by someone with deeper pockets, so I teamed up and partnered with N2 Publishing to take a national. Well, then I basically stepped into like a head of recruiting role and I spent all of my time not only proving the concept but recruiting other people and showing them how to run the franchise. And we're at 144 now.

Speaker 3:

Recruiting them is just like clients. You sign on a client for advertising. People are like, okay, cool, we're married. Now I'll call you again in three years when the contract's up, and that's the worst way to think about it. It's a courting relationship. Regardless of who we're talking about, it's a courting relationship. So if you recruit someone and they launch a franchise, you have to continue to sell over and over again and explain and teach and coach, because if you don't, you're the one that suffers because they can't hack it and they end up losing their franchise and that affects you and your business. So in every relationship you really need to teach that, like create this client value relationship where it's not really even a marriage, it's just an engagement, and you're courting, you're courting, you're courting and you don't lose that dating aspect of it. And that has been a long journey for me, learning that at every aspect of every relationship of the business, whether it's clients or recruits.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, remington, what would you say are some of those skills or techniques that you've learned as far as sales go, and kind of selling yourself to others, because it sounds like that's very heavily needed in the business that you're in.

Speaker 3:

This is so funny, like you could ask me this question now, 10 days from now, and I'm going to have a different answer, just kind of based on what I'm studying at the time and most recently, I've been looking into the importance of scripts and I think sometimes scripts get a bad rap because people think it's salesy, people think you're robotic, and that can happen if you don't pay attention to it. But if you actually know your script inside and outside, it gives you the freedom to talk about it without wondering what you're going to say next, to talk about it without wondering what you're going to say next, and so I would encourage people, when it comes, I mean just one thing. I mean there's so many other things we could talk about, but in this moment I've chosen scripts.

Speaker 3:

Master your scripts, create a script that's great, that really encompasses exactly what it is that you're trying to communicate and what the value add is, and then memorize it, record yourself saying it, listen to it before and after every single appointment so that when you get on the next one, you can relax and be yourself, because what really sells yourself is selling someone that they're going to know, like and trust you throughout the process. Right and where most people fail is they forget certain aspects of what the value add is and so they're just kind of BSing through an appointment. That doesn't make any sense to me, like you got to know your product, you got to know your company, you got to know what the reason why you're even sitting in front of them, and then it becomes easy because it's like okay, now we just got to find common ground and what you like and what I like and talk about that and how it's going to be fun working together.

Speaker 2:

Absolutely. That's great advice.

Speaker 1:

Yeah Well, as we kind of start to wrap up here, I always like to ask what is maybe one piece of advice that you would give a young entrepreneur, maybe somebody starting out, somebody that's thinking about starting out?

Speaker 3:

Your belief needs to be rooted in truth. No-transcript entrepreneur starting a business and their parents have always said, yeah, uh, this person, uh, they've, they've always been an entrepreneur, they've always been salesy, they're going to be successful. But then the you know the kid starts to see a little bit of pushback and maybe a year goes by and they thought they were going to be successful by now. And then the parents say are you sure you shouldn't like try something else, or? And then these little, these little doubts start to creep in, these little lies start to creep in and to the mind of the young entrepreneur and where they go wrong, is they just quit or they start on something new. And so when I say your belief needs to be rooted in truth, what I like to do when I hit a snag is think to myself okay, what is the truth of the matter? Have I been able to sell one? Because if I can sell one, I can sell 10. If I can sell 10, I can sell 100. And then, if I go back and I'm like I did sell that one, what was the narrative of how I sold that? How did I meet that person? What did I say to that person? What did we do afterwards? Why did they continue to do business with me? And you can duplicate that.

Speaker 3:

And so I actually wrote an ebook, uh, that I can send to you guys and we can send out to anyone who listens to this if they want a little freemium. It's called Belief is Rooted in Truth and basically it talks about I use five animals to kind of describe why we quit versus the ones that thrive, and it's because the ones who have belief that is rooted in actual truth of the situation. It takes the emotions out, and a lot of people let their emotions dictate the logic of the situation, and so I'll send that to you guys and you can send it out if we get some emails, yeah.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that would be excellent. Thank you so much. I know our listeners are going to appreciate that as well. Well, remington, this has been a fantastic conversation, but of course, as someone that has watched the show before, you do know that we always end with a quirky question of the week. So let's see what we've got for you today. I'll throw it at you. All right, so are you ready Remington.

Speaker 3:

I don't think so, but we'll go anyway.

Speaker 2:

All right. Well, hopefully it's not too much of a doozy for you, all right. So your question is if you could have a coffee chat with any author. I'm sure you saw something like this coming dead or alive, who would it be and what would you ask them about? Their writing process or life, or you know what would that person? What would be kind of the point of having that conversation with that person?

Speaker 3:

Man, I'll give you two. Right now I'm writing a book that's very similar to the style of Alex Ramosi, so I actually think I will get that coffee with him in the next couple years. He wrote $100 million offers, $100 million deals. He's a very accomplished young entrepreneur. But a funnier one that I think would be fun to sit down with is one of the disciples, John. He writes his gospel in such a funny manner where he's trying to talk about the disciple whom Jesus loved and getting to the tomb first, beating Peter, and there's so much pride, a little bit of ego that goes into his gospel. I just want to sit down with him and ask him I had a little bit of ego that goes into his gospel.

Speaker 1:

I just want to sit down with him and ask him why.

Speaker 3:

You know, that's why you bring that up. I want to say, hey, is it really necessary to say it like this?

Speaker 2:

I've always kind of wondered that myself. I always thought it'd be interesting to sit down and talk with him.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, great question.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, well, I love that. Well, hi, thank you so much, Drummington, for being on the podcast with us today, taking a few minutes out of your day. We've super appreciated it. We've loved hearing some of your insights. You've added a lot of value and so we're super appreciative of that.

Speaker 3:

I appreciate you both. It's a great show and a great thing you're doing, and it's really cool that all of that was where it was birthed, and I'm a big fan, so I'll be tracking your journey, yeah journey.

Speaker 2:

Yeah Well, thank you so much. We appreciate that and, as I said, this has been just a great conversation. So, listeners, if you want to connect with Remington, you can email him at podcast at realproducersmagcom. That link will be in our description today, so check that out.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and then if you want to learn more about All Event's entrepreneurship program, you can just go to alleventedu slash entrepreneur to learn more.

Speaker 2:

And to learn about the creator conference and pitch competition, you can just go to olivetedu slash entrepreneur to learn more and to learn about the Creator Conference and Pitch Competition, you can email me, Carly Bird, at kabird at olivetedu, or visit our website creatorolivetedu.

Speaker 1:

Thanks so much for listening. We're Faith and Business Meet. We'll see you next time, thank you.